Astana May Have Violated French Anti-Doping Laws

Le Monde reports today that the Astana team of Armstrong and Contador may have violated criminal anti-doping laws in France during the 2009 Tour. According to sources close to the investigation, authorities from the Oclaesp, the institution charged with public health investigations in France, found equipment for blood transfusing in the hotel rooms and wastebaskets of the team. Dominique Pérard, the vice-prosecutor in Paris, has deemed the evidence sufficient to open a preliminary inquiry. This move is the first step in France's criminal law procedure.
Under the anti-doping laws passed in France in July 2008, possession of transfusion equipment is a violation of criminal statutes. The WADA code contains a similar prohibition. Investigators also found syringes and needles in the trash bins and currently, the laboratories are working to identify the substances. In particular, they are looking to see if the evidence includes growth hormone. Investigators also seized anti-hypertension drugs. Though these drugs are not prohibited under French law or WADA rules, they are frequently used in connection with blood doping to combat arterial hypertension resulting from transfusions or EPO use.
So far, investigators have identified seven different DNA sequences on the evidence, suggesting that seven individuals, likely riders, used the seized equipment. The French authorities have not identified the individuals as yet, because they need access to blood samples and DNA information held by the UCI. The UCI has not proved willing to release the necessary information, and French authorities and the Cycling Union have battled in recent months over the conduct of doping controls at this year's Tour. The French charged that the UCI showed favoritism toward Astana and in particular, allowed the team extra time to prepare for testing. The UCI has denied the charges and ill-will between the two organizations continues. Le Monde reports that Oclaesp investigators confirmed the delays granted to Astana, and said that they were "sufficient to allow for the dilution of blood."
The investigation originally targetted several teams, but as of now, focuses only on Astana. According to the information uncovered by Le Monde, the prosecutors found
the evidence insufficient to open proceedings against any other teams.
—Source, Stéphane Mandard, Le Monde.
Photo, Jasper Juinen, Getty Images Sport.
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as i titled my now-deleted fanpost, if true, how can astana be so EFFING stupid!!!
"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind
by umwolverine on Dec 23, 2009 12:08 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
If this plays out..
Andy Schleck #1. Then how far down the line do we look for 2 and 3 ? I can’t remember.
by MaestroDon on Dec 23, 2009 12:10 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
So
I win the VDS?
"The only pain I got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is." Edvald Boasson Hagen
by Chris... on Dec 23, 2009 12:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Calling Drew!
You gonna take that lying down?
by ursula on Dec 23, 2009 3:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
My comment from below
So Oclaesp has found a possibly illegal infusion kit. That’s the big news here. The other stuff, the syringes, etc, were known in October I think and there’s nothing illegal with them yet. No illegal substances, specifically HGH, have been found though they have had the time to get DNA profiles on users of the syringes. So unless they find some banned substance those DNA samples go nowhere even if they identify who the users were. That leaves the infusion kit which Johann has already denied is illegal. We’ll see, won’t we?
So to answer umwolverine’s question, it is not at al clear that there’s anything going on here, though the writer of the original article certainly hopes there is.
by ursula on Dec 23, 2009 12:12 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Oh and my guess that they find any illegal substances?
1% chance. I’m probably being generous.
by ursula on Dec 23, 2009 12:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
+4
In the hotel trash can? LIke, from their rooms? How unbelievably stupid do we think they are? Me, nowhere near that stupid.
"The only pain I got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is." Edvald Boasson Hagen
by Chris... on Dec 23, 2009 12:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
ask the spanish cross country ski team from the 2002 Olympics that question.
turns out they can in fact be that stupid.
by Fred Marx on Dec 23, 2009 1:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yep
It’s really not that far-fetched. I can think of several cases where hotel trashcans supplied the evidence.
by gavia on Dec 23, 2009 1:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Really?
This just seems so bizarre…or just arrogant?!
by cyclingdiva on Dec 23, 2009 1:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
demands on how much the hotel maids get paid . . .
by R Mc on Dec 23, 2009 1:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
oops . . . demands = depends
although “demand” sorta works too.
by R Mc on Dec 23, 2009 1:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
quick search of From Lance to Landis
reveals quite a discussion of distribution and disposal of medical “products” in the 98 and 99 Postal squads (106-110). The only named sources are Andreu and Emma O’Reilly.
I also remember, but can’t remember where, hearing about either Postal or Discovery (Armstrong/Bruyneel) complaining about having their vehicles followed when they went to dump their trash. (Which sorta begs the question of why they were disposing of their trash separately, but I might be misremembering.)
by R Mc on Dec 23, 2009 1:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
+5
couldn’t agree more.
"well...you live in england so: you love the rain. loves the queen. hates cycling. based on mr bean had a tremendous amount of humour. all ride in a mini cooper. all getting drunk before the age of 12. getting drunk at least 3 times a day."- frinking, 7/9/09
by benrazor on Dec 23, 2009 1:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Great points
While it’s tempting to jump to conclusions, we just have to wait this one out and see what happens. Could take a long time.
by dansel on Dec 23, 2009 12:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
One more bit that's news
The prosecutor has considered the evidence sufficient to open a preliminary inquiry, which is the first step in a French criminal case.
by gavia on Dec 23, 2009 12:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And if the police want to go further in their investigation
then asking the UCI for access to their samples is just one way of getting access to the DNA of the team. If the UCI refuse then surely the next step in the investigation is to take a sample themselves next time any of those riders are in France, be that for the Etoile de Besseges, Paris-Nice or the Tour itself.
by Monty. on Dec 23, 2009 2:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
French jails
have been in the news a lot recently for their VERY high suicide rates (I think highest in west) …. in large part due to over crowdedness and god knows what else …..
Maybe Lance should focus on the Giro ….
Moo
by Willj on Dec 23, 2009 2:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
it's France Telecom, not french jails...
…that have the abnormally high suicide rate:)
"Ants don’t worry, they operate like a fantastic team, they accept obstacles and deal with them in a positive manner, they don’t complain and remain positive. An ant doesn’t work on emotion, is proactive and always chooses the ant role."
by ant1 on Dec 23, 2009 2:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
the France Telecom suicides
have been (at least partially) debunked ….
but Suicide in France is a bit too newsworthy recently
Moo
by Willj on Dec 23, 2009 2:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
*yawn
Wake me up in february when they’ve done all the tests?
by dansel on Dec 23, 2009 12:14 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
You think they'll be done by February?!
Optimist ;)
by Albertina on Dec 23, 2009 12:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Not necessarily
But Het Niewsblad is in February ;-)
by dansel on Dec 23, 2009 12:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Haha, true. Distractions may be welcome :)
by Albertina on Dec 23, 2009 12:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Is it just me...
Or does emoticon usage increase exponentially in the off season?
by dansel on Dec 23, 2009 12:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, even in the gloom
we have to convince people we’re smiley and happy, no? :-))))
by Albertina on Dec 23, 2009 12:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
dansel
you mean february 2012 right?
"well...you live in england so: you love the rain. loves the queen. hates cycling. based on mr bean had a tremendous amount of humour. all ride in a mini cooper. all getting drunk before the age of 12. getting drunk at least 3 times a day."- frinking, 7/9/09
by benrazor on Dec 23, 2009 1:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hey look! Snipes!
Everyone start hunting!
"Jens! is my favorite rider. I love watching him handing out plates of hot, steaming suffer!" - Mahatma Gandhi
by crashdan on Dec 23, 2009 12:40 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Shoot first
and ask what a snipe is later.
"The only pain I got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is." Edvald Boasson Hagen
by Chris... on Dec 23, 2009 1:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Just so you don't shoot he wrong bird...

is a Snipe. Why you’d shoot it I dunno…. It is the silly season after all…
by Fred Marx on Dec 23, 2009 1:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It was lovely money
You have to go to Curaçao now to find anything like it still in circulation.
Football is a game, cycling a sport.
by Lopex on Dec 23, 2009 1:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
the only reason I wanted Switzerland
to join the EURO
Was to get rid of their money …. covered with ugly old men ….. you’d think a beautiful country could do better …..

Moo
by Willj on Dec 23, 2009 2:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd probably do better
recognizing the Belgians
by Monty. on Dec 23, 2009 2:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
10 chf = an architect
20 chf = a composer
50 chf – an artist/sculptor (female)
100 chf = sculptor / painter
1000 chf = historian
William Tell nowhere to be found ….. ;)
Moo
by Willj on Dec 23, 2009 2:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Looks like a chubby Sean Penn
Wait, so it’s Chris Penn?
by tedvdw on Dec 23, 2009 3:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Wow
This looks like a plot to get me to buy the Winged Migration DVD.
"The only pain I got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is." Edvald Boasson Hagen
by Chris... on Dec 23, 2009 1:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Make sure to get two, Chris
You owe me a present.
Aren't we forgeting the true meaning of Christmas? You know, the birth of Santa
by Drew... on Dec 23, 2009 2:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Awesome movie
Best seen in big theater with a bunch of bird watchers.
by Markk on Dec 23, 2009 4:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I always liked Dutch money
(although I was more familiar with smaller bills ;)
Moo
by Willj on Dec 23, 2009 1:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Good thing...
Lance rides for The Shack now!
He just missed that bullet!
;)
Racing for Victory and Free Beer!
by DemonCats on Dec 23, 2009 12:59 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Question
How does an infusion kit differ from a dehydration/IV kit…and what chance is there that either the authorities or the translators are confusing the two or just not being specific?
I wouldn’t be surprised if they were both illegal in France, but it still seems a relevant point.
by Mr 60 Percent on Dec 23, 2009 12:59 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Sounds like it's the same thing
all dehydration/IV kits are illegal now except in case of extreme medical need, the sort that causes you to drop out of the competition. You’re only allowed to rehydrate the natural way now.
by Monty. on Dec 23, 2009 2:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
IMHO
I certainly agree this is news, but nothing smells very fishy to me. Medical equipment has plenty of legal uses. And if they were doping during the Tour, I can guarantee you they wouldn’t dump the contraband within 50 miles of their hotel. I bet every Tour hotel has syringes in the dustbins afterward, from every team… from their vitamin shots.
I don’t fault the French authorities from inquiring, that’s their prerogative. I am a little annoyed about targeting one team in the absence of fishier evidence, but that’s what happens to winners nowadays — they bear the highest burden of proving their innocence.
"The only pain I got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is." Edvald Boasson Hagen
by Chris... on Dec 23, 2009 1:03 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
well put.
"Shut your mouth or I'll fill it with my fist" -Robbie McEwan to Lance Armstrong
by Koppenberg34 on Dec 23, 2009 3:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think I agree...
…At least, I need an awful lot more than ‘syringes with different people’s DNA, we don’t even know whose’ before I decide that there’s anything here at all.
The preliminary investigation makes it news. Otherwise I’d be like why is this even gracing the pages of a reputable newspaper.
by Ed K on Dec 23, 2009 4:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
My Word
What a level headed bunch y’all are. Nice to see this being treated with the seriousness it seemingly deserves.
"Some people are like slinkies - not really good for anything but they bring a smile to your face when pushed down the stairs."
by jsallee00 on Dec 23, 2009 1:13 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Bah doping
I prefer Barbie Barbie stories
Moo
by Willj on Dec 23, 2009 1:48 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
How about
VDS rider prices? coming in a moment…
"The only pain I got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is." Edvald Boasson Hagen
by Chris... on Dec 23, 2009 1:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
just in time for Xmas
excellent
"Some people are like slinkies - not really good for anything but they bring a smile to your face when pushed down the stairs."
by jsallee00 on Dec 23, 2009 1:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
cool
hoping to pick up Vino in a fire sale …..
Moo
by Willj on Dec 23, 2009 1:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And Rasmussen en Ricco
Those guys will make a wonderful team.
The Renegades!
Football is a game, cycling a sport.
by Lopex on Dec 23, 2009 2:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't forget Sella!
March 14, 2010: The great one returns!
by Phil H. on Dec 23, 2009 3:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Do we get refunds if they can't ride big races?
by dansel on Dec 23, 2009 3:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I am sure that both Ricco and Sella will win the 2010 Giro
March 14, 2010: The great one returns!
by Phil H. on Dec 23, 2009 3:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
he's a corrupt
little … Fella!
"The only pain I got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is." Edvald Boasson Hagen
by Chris... on Dec 23, 2009 4:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd never put my name behind a statement like
“Lance is a doper”, or “Lance never doped”, but I will say that he didn’t finally decide to dope in 2009. Given that, “IF” he did dope in 2009, he’s been doping successfully all along and he’s well practiced in evasion. There is no way that “arrogance” or “carelessness” could be a cause for leaving blatantly damning evidence in hotel waste baskets – I mean seriously. As for the the tolerance of delays and the suggestion that dilution of blood was taking place during the delay, I can’t deny that my mind keeps flashing back to that imfamous “shower” that he took while “credentials were verified” during the out of competition random test last spring.
"Shut your mouth or I'll fill it with my fist" -Robbie McEwan to Lance Armstrong
by Koppenberg34 on Dec 23, 2009 3:49 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
astana 2008 = the shack 2010
alberto may not have to worry about lance and his troops in 2010 edition of TdeF.
by inseguitore on Dec 23, 2009 3:50 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
huh?
I’ll assume that “2008” was a typo and you meant “2009”, because that what the article is referring to. Secondly, Alberto was on the team, and would be subject to the same sanctions if he’s found to have been involved. Lastly, you may be right however without even realizing it, because if they are collectively guilty, then neither Lance or Alberto will have to worry about anyone in 2010, because they’d be spectators at best.
"Shut your mouth or I'll fill it with my fist" -Robbie McEwan to Lance Armstrong
by Koppenberg34 on Dec 23, 2009 3:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No
I think Inseguitore is referring to the Astana team that was kept out of the Tour in 2008 for “precautionary” reasons. A point I am wondering about myself.
"The only pain I got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is." Edvald Boasson Hagen
by Chris... on Dec 23, 2009 4:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Makes sense. Thanks.
"Shut your mouth or I'll fill it with my fist" -Robbie McEwan to Lance Armstrong
by Koppenberg34 on Dec 23, 2009 4:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
correct, chris
though lance made a lot of friends in france in 2009, i think that the ASO may still have it in for him and bruyneel. if they ban them then alberto still gets to ride (sans vino). me, i’d lke to see “alberto and lance, the sequel.” hopefully prudhomme does as well.
by inseguitore on Dec 23, 2009 4:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Deep down
i can’t help but feel that the embarassment of a bad decision (not inviting Astana in 2008) was cemented by French pride, and the unwillingness to follow suite after the Italians agreed to invite them to the giro.
"Shut your mouth or I'll fill it with my fist" -Robbie McEwan to Lance Armstrong
by Koppenberg34 on Dec 23, 2009 5:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Still seems a bit odd though
that they’d sanction Radioshack and let Alberto slide just because he’d not followed them to a different trade team.
"Shut your mouth or I'll fill it with my fist" -Robbie McEwan to Lance Armstrong
by Koppenberg34 on Dec 23, 2009 4:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
As this looks like today's doping thread
here’s a story of vague interest to those tracking doping related deaths. Russian bodybuilder Vladimir Turchinsky dropped dead of a heart attack last week, aged 47, just a few hours after undergoing blood rejuvenation treatment.
by Monty. on Dec 23, 2009 3:50 PM EST reply actions 0 recs


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